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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:39:46 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
wrote:
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>"zob" <zobva1@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fof1l4hv022rqrludo8r44t53rrjual21i@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:04:15 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> I may say
>>>Sondheim is brilliant, and in my opinion he is, but it still is too soon
>>>for
>>>perspective.
>>
>> LOL! I almost choked ... Sondheim good, Lloyd Webber bad.
>> Man, are we diametrically opposed on these composers!
>>
>> Remind me to accompany Bob to his concerts. He and I seem to have
>> nearly identical musical tastes. This extends to Il Divo, whom the
>> elitists can't stand.
>It just comes down to what we like, zob. Please don't take this any further
>than it needs to be. I am many things, some of them I'm proud of and some
>I'm not, but I'm not an elitist.
Nope, I never meant to imply that and apologize if that's the way you
took it. I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned Il Divo. That's
another subject that really brings out the nasty comments in the NG!
--
Fille, the Sorcerer's Apprentice
"zob" <zobva1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:47:38 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Sometimes it can work well ("Children Will Listen" )
>
> ARRGHHHHH! Earworm!
>
> You're the master (mistress?) at getting those things going through my
> head!
LOL - zob, I have to jump in here. This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode
(don't know if you were a fan of that show or not). The character, George
got an earworm of "Master of the House* because he'd just seen "Les Miz" -
it was a running gag all thru the show.
Fille wrote:
> On Dec 23, 10:17�pm, Mickey
> <mickey_and_ed...@sbcnomorephishglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Fille wrote:
> <snip>
>>> Again, not to put anyone down but to me, even tho I certainly have my likes
>>> and dislikes, music is one of the greatest gifts to the planet and I can't
>>> really fathom even arguing with people about it. Everyone likes what they
>>> like and as you had said, no one's taste is better or worse than the others
>>> and I agree that no one should be put down for *their* preferences.
>
>
>> I agree with you regarding taste not being worth arguing about, but not
>> everything which defines greatness or creative genius (or masquerades as
>> it) is a matter of taste or is unknowable to those well versed in the
>> art and craft of music. Zob and Bob would have you believe otherwise. No
>> one attacked Bob's enjoyment of ALW (in any event, an intervention would
>> be fruitless), but his assertion of ALW's relative merit as a creative
>> artist is assailable as being as uninformed as it is unsupportable. If
>> Bob has the nerve to state something so ludicrous, he should be man
>> enough to accept the tomatoes that will enevitably get thrown at him.
>> (I.e., he shouldn't pick a fight if he isn't willing or able to defend
>> his position in terms appropriate to the topic.)
>>
>> The Other Mickey- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes, I do understand what you are saying here. Believe me, Mickey, I
> personally would never attempt to argue with you about music as I know
> your knowledge is far greater than mine in this area. I think I've
> said before, the only thing I can argue on is what pleases *my* ear
> but even if I had to explain to you *why* that is I'm not sure I could
> do that.
That's the point. There is no reason why you or anyone else need to
defend what pleases their ear. Something either does or doesn't. Now if
someone wants to make a value judgment on the creativity of some artist
or other, they had better be well versed on what creativity means in
that field, which would include a better knowledge of music (composers,
methods, and literature) than Bob has.
You never need to defend your taste to me. The worst you might get in
return would be a link or two to follow, such as the one I include here,
which might just make you question how creative some folk are.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:20:08 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
wrote:
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>"Bigolhomo" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:13t0l49fdpadoaogud61qn3e78q99vf9ko@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:58:33 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"JohnGavin" <dagdern@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:28340446-3d90-4b3c-ae51-eab652b9dc05@m12g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>>> An enjoyable review of last season:
>>>>
>>>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/amer...ments-tha.html
>>>
>>>I would agree with most of it. The only problem I had was that two of the
>>>items were not of last season: The sad suicide and the choosing of the
>>>new
>>>judge. Otherwise, right on the money.
>>
>> The title of the article is "Ten moments that shook American Idol in
>> 2008". The suicide and new judge both happened in 2008 so they're
>> fair game.
>
>I know you're right, "technically," but it really doesn't belong as news for
>last season, is my only point.
I think the most important point you made was "I know you're right".
fmomoon wrote:
>
> "Mickey" <mickey_and_edith@sbcnomorephishglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:u7l4l.15408$ZP4.4634@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> That's the point. There is no reason why you or anyone else need to
>> defend what pleases their ear. Something either does or doesn't. Now
>> if someone wants to make a value judgment on the creativity of some
>> artist or other, they had better be well versed on what creativity
>> means in that field, which would include a better knowledge of music
>> (composers, methods, and literature) than Bob has.
>>
>> You never need to defend your taste to me. The worst you might get in
>> return would be a link or two to follow, such as the one I include
>> here, which might just make you question how creative some folk are.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64wUWdKgKU4
>
> Wow! It starts about :50.
It starts earlier, but only becomes blatant at around :50.
Of course, I heard this Puccini and the Prokofiev in the next clip years
before I ever heard any of POTO.
>> and this
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy84N_U5jw0
>>
>> (Start listening at 1:30, he's there "the phantom of the opera" and it
>> just gets more blatant the longer you listen.)
>>
> Yes, it's there. Now, to be fair, since the setting is obviously an
> Opera House, do you think that Lloyd Weber did this intentionally to
> drudge up the memory of opera and classical music in general? One of
> the scenes I did like was the Mozart homage. I thought he did that
> well. There was no pretense about imitation. It was there on purpose.
But the above clip is not from an opera. It is from Prokofiev's film
score for the classic Sergei Eisenstein film "Alexander Nevsky." This
piece of score accompanies the battle between Russian and Swedish
soldiers on a frozen lake. Hardly an opera reference.
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:14:28 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
wrote:
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>"zob" <zobva1@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:nsi3l459m6v50scgqj84rsq1158h7hi6vq@4ax.com.. .
>> Nope, I never meant to imply that and apologize if that's the way you
>> took it. I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned Il Divo. That's
>> another subject that really brings out the nasty comments in the NG!
>
>Yeah. They're a group that many people I care about enjoy, my oldest
>daughter being one of them. I don't enjoy the overblown vocals, but I do
>love the harmony. Someone is doing a good job there. I guess in this case,
>to me, it isn't about how loud you can sing, but whether or not it enhances
>the music that matters. If you're just loud with a big, fat vibrato, I'm
>not as impressed as I am by someone who knows about the less is more factor.
>My daughter gave me one of their CDs and there are a couple of tracks I
>enjoy, but not surprisingly, they are the quieter, more introspective songs.
>I think they are more effective in another language, too.
You may be surprised to know that on their new CD "The Promise" which
was just released two or three weeks ago in the U.S., Il Divo sings
(yet another version of) Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" -- in Italian,
and thy do it what is downright quietly for them; altogether subdued.
Most artists I've heard who sing that song wail the heck out of it
towards the end, including on my favorite version of the song by kd
lang. But on this particular song even Carlos, with his big booming
baritone, manages to reign it in and sing introspectively. I kept
waiting for the big build to the powerful climax that is typical of
their style, but it never came. You would probably prefer it to their
usual fare.
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:12:46 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
wrote:
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>"Mickey" <mickey_and_edith@sbcnomorephishglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:u7l4l.15408$ZP4.4634@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com. ..
>> That's the point. There is no reason why you or anyone else need to defend
>> what pleases their ear. Something either does or doesn't. Now if someone
>> wants to make a value judgment on the creativity of some artist or other,
>> they had better be well versed on what creativity means in that field,
>> which would include a better knowledge of music (composers, methods, and
>> literature) than Bob has.
>>
>> You never need to defend your taste to me. The worst you might get in
>> return would be a link or two to follow, such as the one I include here,
>> which might just make you question how creative some folk are.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64wUWdKgKU4
>
>Wow! It starts about :50.
>>
>> and this
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy84N_U5jw0
>>
>> (Start listening at 1:30, he's there "the phantom of the opera" and it
>> just gets more blatant the longer you listen.)
>>
>Yes, it's there. Now, to be fair, since the setting is obviously an Opera
>House, do you think that Lloyd Weber did this intentionally to drudge up the
>memory of opera and classical music in general? One of the scenes I did
>like was the Mozart homage. I thought he did that well. There was no
>pretense about imitation. It was there on purpose.
I posted a link previously somewhere in this thread to a discussion
board that debates that very thing.
His fans think he uses "snatches of other works to inspire certain
feelings or to refer to the original works and add another layer of
meaning;" while his critics " think he does it because he can't come
up with anything himself."
And that is a debate that will never have a resolution. It's like
asking the ATVAI newsgroup to unanimously agree on whether Hicks or
McPhee should have won AI6.
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:24:56 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
wrote:
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>"Fille" <peacefille@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Fille, the Sorcerer's Apprentice
>> "zob" <zobva1@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6gj3l41stounub0pg3vokrlq8uqr4meunm@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:47:38 -0800, "fmomoon" <fmomoon@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> > Sometimes it can work well ("Children Will Listen" )
>>>
>>> ARRGHHHHH! Earworm!
>>>
>>> You're the master (mistress?) at getting those things going through my
>>> head!
>>
>>
>> LOL - zob, I have to jump in here. This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode
>> (don't know if you were a fan of that show or not). The character, George
>> got an earworm of "Master of the House* because he'd just seen "Les Miz" -
>> it was a running gag all thru the show.
>
>Oh yeah, I can see how that would happen. I saw some of my students in a
>production of Le Mis last summer and, partially because a couple of my
>students played the couple who sing the song, it stayed in my brain for
>days!
Yeah? Just imagine how it is for me, being a Les Mis fanatic *and* a
hotel manager! "Master Of The House" is my personal theme song!
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