Re: Eclipse

Michelle Steiner wrote:
:: So one eclipse gives them powers that remain after the end of the
:: eclipse. But a second eclipse takes away those same powers, but
:: only
:: for the duration of the eclipse. What am I missing?
::
:: BTW, as soon as Claire died, I knew that all the powers would
:: return
:: when the eclipse ended.
::
:: I was half expecting everyone who lost their powers to Arthur to
:: regain them when the eclipse ended.

AFAIK, the only one who lost their powers to Arthur and who's still alive is
Peter.
Peter may have his powers back but could be too stupid to know (Peter's
nature).

Yikes wrote:
> Michelle Steiner wrote:
> :: So one eclipse gives them powers that remain after the end of the
> :: eclipse. But a second eclipse takes away those same powers, but
> :: only
> :: for the duration of the eclipse. What am I missing?
> ::
> :: BTW, as soon as Claire died, I knew that all the powers would
> :: return
> :: when the eclipse ended.
> ::
> :: I was half expecting everyone who lost their powers to Arthur to
> :: regain them when the eclipse ended.
>
> AFAIK, the only one who lost their powers to Arthur and who's still alive is
> Peter.
> Peter may have his powers back but could be too stupid to know (Peter's
> nature).

Peter would have to try to use a power to know he had it. He wasn't
aware of his acquired flight power until he unintentionally walked off a
ledge and didn't fall. I don't think he's ever been shown trying to
absorb (or not absorb) a power; it's passive like Adam/Claire's healing.

Only tangentially related, I'm starting to think Mohinder just has an
odd power and it's not some genetic botch-up that's turning him scaly
and gross. He's the first Morlock.

--
DJensen

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:04:56 GMT, Sean Eric Fagan wrote:

> In article <e1142$4935a1d5$cef8bf2d$29626@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>I don't think he's ever been shown trying to
>>absorb (or not absorb) a power; it's passive like Adam/Claire's healing.
>
> He was shown actively trying to absorb Sylar's power.
>
> Why, I've no friggin' idea.

Wasn't it because he was told he had to by future Peter to solve the
crisis in the present?

--
"The Dickensian aspect?"......"Exactly!" - The Wire

Sean Eric Fagan wrote:
> In article <e1142$4935a1d5$cef8bf2d$29626@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> I don't think he's ever been shown trying to
>> absorb (or not absorb) a power; it's passive like Adam/Claire's healing.
>
> He was shown actively trying to absorb Sylar's power.

But was he actually *doing* anything to absorb the power? It's like
Parkman's ridiculous tilt-n-stare when he's using his powers, completely
unnecessary but it tells the audience he's trying to do something.

--
DJensen

Scríobh sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan):
>In article <697c2$4935c2d5$cef8bf2d$13870@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
>DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>But was he actually *doing* anything to absorb the power?
>
>Since it was entirely mental, that's a very difficult question to answer,
>isn't it?
>
>Parkman's "tilt and stare" isn't unnecessary -- it's how he concentrates in
>the right way. For now, anyway. Just like Hiro squishes his face.

It also led to one of the funniest sight gags in a while, when tilt &
stare didn't work on Daphne's Dad.

--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

Sean Eric Fagan wrote:
> In article <d029a$4935c271$cef8bf2d$13870@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> So why does he need Sylar's particular version? The only thing it gets him,
>>> that I can see, is the understanding aspect -- which he certainly hasn't
>>> used. And now his father has.
>> The understanding part was the point wasn't it?
>
> That gets back to *why*? He hasn't% used it in any way that was necessary.
> Future Peter obviously thought it was necessary, but we don't know why.
>
> ---
> % I know, I know -- "yet." This particular chapter ends soon, so hopefully
> we'll see it used to actual effect. Or maybe the goal was to inflict Arthur
> with the Hunger. And then have him succumb to infinite David Bowie songs, I
> guess.

He was nose-tubed the next episode (when he returned to the present) and
it was stripped from him in the next episode. Arthur also seems to
know more about Sylar's power than Sylar did, so I don't think he'll
fall victim to it (and would have by now).

Future Peter told him he needed Sylar's figgerin'-out power to
figger-out how to prevent that future, didn't he? It was one of many,
many, storylines dropped this season.


--
DJensen

Michelle Steiner wrote:
:: In article <JIgZk.3538$yB4.1043@newsfe07.iad>,
:: "Yikes" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
::
::: AFAIK, the only one who lost their powers to Arthur and who's
::: still alive is Peter.
::
:: There's also Maya.

Oh....I forgot about her.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:36:13 GMT, sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan)
wrote:

>In article <d029a$4935c271$cef8bf2d$13870@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
>DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> So why does he need Sylar's particular version? The only thing it gets him,
>>> that I can see, is the understanding aspect -- which he certainly hasn't
>>> used. And now his father has.
>>The understanding part was the point wasn't it?
>
>That gets back to *why*? He hasn't% used it in any way that was necessary.
>Future Peter obviously thought it was necessary, but we don't know why.

As I recall it was because future peter tried to change the future and
ended up mucking things up. So he believed that understanding how the
future will change if some action is taken in the past is the key to
not making those kinds of mistakes and getting Sylar's power would
grant present Peter the ability to understand how the changes will
play out. Whether he's right is a whole different thing as I see no
reason to believe Sylar's power would help in seeing how the future
will change according to present day events.

On Dec 3, 9:38*pm, shawn <nanoflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:36:13 GMT, s...@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <d029a$4935c271$cef8bf2d$13...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> >DJensen *<i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>> So why does he need Sylar's particular version? *The only thing it gets him,
> >>> that I can see, is the understanding aspect -- which he certainly hasn't
> >>> used. *And now his father has.
> >>The understanding part was the point wasn't it?
>
> >That gets back to *why*? *He hasn't% used it in any way that was necessary.
> >Future Peter obviously thought it was necessary, but we don't know why.
>
> As I recall it was because future peter tried to change the future and
> ended up mucking things up. So he believed that understanding how the
> future will change if some action is taken in the past is the key to
> not making those kinds of mistakes and getting Sylar's power would
> grant present Peter the ability to understand how the changes will
> play out. Whether he's right is a whole different thing as I see no
> reason to believe Sylar's power would help in seeing how the future
> will change according to present day events.

It makes one wonder why Future Peter didn't simply say "Don't hug Dad"
as it was when he hugged his father that things went from bad to
worse. Now, if Future Peter never lost his powers to Dad then the
future isn't playing out as it played before, is it?

Martin

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:49:01 -0500, DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>Sean Eric Fagan wrote:
>> In article <d029a$4935c271$cef8bf2d$13870@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
>> DJensen <i_m0nk@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>> So why does he need Sylar's particular version? The only thing it gets him,
>>>> that I can see, is the understanding aspect -- which he certainly hasn't
>>>> used. And now his father has.
>>> The understanding part was the point wasn't it?
>>
>> That gets back to *why*? He hasn't% used it in any way that was necessary.
>> Future Peter obviously thought it was necessary, but we don't know why.
>>
>> ---
>> % I know, I know -- "yet." This particular chapter ends soon, so hopefully
>> we'll see it used to actual effect. Or maybe the goal was to inflict Arthur
>> with the Hunger. And then have him succumb to infinite David Bowie songs, I
>> guess.
>
>He was nose-tubed the next episode (when he returned to the present) and
> it was stripped from him in the next episode. Arthur also seems to
>know more about Sylar's power than Sylar did, so I don't think he'll
>fall victim to it (and would have by now).
>
>Future Peter told him he needed Sylar's figgerin'-out power to
>figger-out how to prevent that future, didn't he? It was one of many,
>many, storylines dropped this season.

Future Peter apparently believed that Sylar's "innate understanding"
power was equivalent to Captain Marvel's "wisdom of Solomon" -- having
such a power would have (theoretically) allowed Present Peter to
always Do the Right Thing -- including utilizing the best possible
combination of powers in any given situation.

Peter lost this power to Arthur before the writers had to face the
challenge of doing a 180 on his character ;-)

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